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Speaker 0 00:00:03 Oh, it's a Joe fish meat. This is Jill fish for modern meat. I abolishing podcast make a date of the language to grip vile led at the occasional youth Ali, Edward.
Speaker 2 00:00:51 Welcome to sticks and stones. And let me introduce autumn Dilley. She's a revolutionary, a mom sneaker freak, protector lover, a breakfast food, and she's from, um, the turtle mountain band of Chippewa and leech lake band of Ojibwe and his street outreach. Extraordinary. Welcome to the show, autumn. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:01:16 Thank you. That makes me sound so cool. So
Speaker 2 00:01:24 I met autumn through our shared work of, uh, helping people in the community. And, um, autumn, when do you think we first met?
Speaker 3 00:01:32 I would say probably when I started with AICC, which was about three years ago now.
Speaker 2 00:01:39 Right, right. And so a little bit about Jason and I we've known each other for about 30 years and, uh, Jason is one of my comrades in the struggle, um, to liberate the people and cause as much mayhem as possible, even though we're over 50,
Speaker 4 00:02:00 You're just living, just living. Did you just say you're over 50? We both are. Oh my goodness. Yeah. We're old. You mean you couldn't hear Dave's knees when he's walking around? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:02:21 You know, I don't have like any kind of impairments he sits in that chair. I was there.
Speaker 0 00:02:26 I forgot. Ah, that's lethal. Terrible.
Speaker 2 00:02:34 Um, can you tell us a little bit about your work on them?
Speaker 3 00:02:40 Yeah, so, um, I do street outreach. I mean, I've done street outreach for young people and native American, young people first. That's kind of how it started. And then I moved over to AICC where I specifically, um, work with. I dunno, Kinsey has substance use disorders on there that are experiencing homelessness? Well, a lot of our work looks like going into camp, um, different places where people kind of create or move on sheltered. Um, we have a couple of different, um, housing options that are like different tiers of housing. Um, so folks like if they still use, they're still, you know, they still deserve home. They still have other rights. Even if they, they use drugs or alcohol. Um, we have a shelter, uh, we have a bigger outreach team then, you know what we, we started with, it used to be just me and Travis and now our outreach team has doubled and continue. We'll continue to grow I guess. Um, but yeah, I mean, that's really, that's really the, the idea. I mean, the goal is to end homelessness, but you haven't gotten that far yet. I guess
Speaker 4 00:03:57 That's a big goal right there.
Speaker 3 00:04:01 Well, the mayor said he was going to do it in five years and that's what happened.
Speaker 4 00:04:07 Hasn't he been around for five years.
Speaker 3 00:04:10 Yeah. I think it's pulling up his reelection coming up
Speaker 4 00:04:17 For those who don't know. Can you tell him what AIC it means?
Speaker 3 00:04:21 AIU UC is American Indian community development corporation, and we are a corporation that sits on Franklin avenue. Um, we own multiple different buildings. We also have a real estate side to our preparation. Nice. Um, our CEO is a real realtor and our CFO is the broker. So we try to help native American families buy homes and get into home ownership. Hmm. So there's like, uh, there's a bunch of different things that ACDC does.
Speaker 4 00:05:01 Yeah. I've S I've seen like AYC and over the years and all those different,
Speaker 3 00:05:07 Well that's because Indians love acronyms and we have so many, but those are all different, all different organizations like AYC is, um, the school like career training and that was started. Um, don't quote me on this. I was started sixties, like with aim. Aim is the one that, that founded that career center.
Speaker 4 00:05:34 Hey, got an off topic question. Kind of not off topic, but I was wondering what you thought about the word Chippewa compared to oh, jiggly.
Speaker 3 00:05:48 Well, I don't have, it's the same, the same team basically. So, um, well it's like Chippewa Alger way and the shadow, like it's, it's, that's how turtle mountain recognizes their people, which is the same as of your Blake's. I don't really have too many, too many feelings around that.
Speaker 4 00:06:14 I always, when I grew up, cause I'm a AA, my family's from, um, lighters, like my mom's family. So when I was younger, it was triple a, when I got older, it became Ojibwe or initial Navi because I heard Chippewa was a word that someone else used to reference us.
Speaker 3 00:06:35 Yeah. And that's, that's, that's kind of the truth of it. So, and then I'll jump away. Ojibwe morning is our language. Right. And so we'll kind of switch over to that too. So I haven't all, it's like someone saying, do you prefer being called Indian or, or indigenous? So like American Indian is hot. What's written in our trees. And like now they have like, the word indigenous has become like super sexy and everybody wants to use the word indigenous about everything like indigenous this. Well, like we're all indigenous to somewhere, but like in a way it's like another form of eraser. We're not like truly identified. We're just saying every year, you know, this person's indigenous.
Speaker 4 00:07:25 Yeah. I don't know. I feel the same. The only thing I don't like about, um, like American Indian is cause it's like, it goes to that whole like African American, Asian American, but you never hear white European or American European, you know? So I'm always like, Hmm, they're not called American white people. Yeah. Hey American white guy, did you just like, they're there the Americans, you know, right. I'm American.
Speaker 2 00:08:00 I mean that context too of, uh, color is, uh, just to be referred to, like when you're talking about whether, um, you liked to be called Chippewa or Ojibwe. And for me, if I were to hear somebody go, Hey, you know that color or colored boy versus, or that black boy or that Negro boy, like there's, it's, you know, now it's like all kinds of different. And to me it's this black is black to me, but I don't. I mean, I don't think about, I w I don't want to be first off. Let me just say, don't fucking call me colored.
Speaker 0 00:08:43 I ain't fucking playing. So I'm going to be with that shit right
Speaker 4 00:08:46 Now. If a white dude came up, man, Hey, D girl, Hey,
Speaker 0 00:08:51 I heard there's a colored file. They just used to be a colored fountain, you know? And I
Speaker 2 00:08:55 Would say, it's an app or anybody's today, your colored. I don't want to hear all that. Just, I just, I get it though. I do get it, but then I don't get like how we, as a society, as a society, hang on certain contexts, that construct of race, especially when a lot of us just don't, you know, we don't have a voice in the first place. So for me, it's, it looks like, man, I know who I am, but this is what, this is how I fit into this, because this is what they named me. If that makes sense. I don't know if it does or not, but it just feels like that. Cause you, cause I carry that. And I, and I don't, it's interesting to hear you and Jay talk about this because this is something he's never talked about with me.
Speaker 4 00:09:46 Well, I think for me, it's just like, I don't call Lakota people soup Beto, because that's the same thing. It's kind of like, if that would be like, if someone came up to the baldies back in the day and pointed at the white power dudes, we'd be like, those dudes are boneheads. Right. And so from now on, everybody called them boneheads. Right. Which is kind of true. But at the same time, that's not what they call themselves right now or whatever. So yeah.
Speaker 3 00:10:16 Well there's, there's the lower, um, the lower Sioux community and they call them sub to a lot of them take pride in themselves too.
Speaker 4 00:10:29 I know, but it doesn't mean like,
Speaker 3 00:10:32 But that's like them calling themselves that, you know what I mean? Like I don't like, I don't call them at a code of brothers and sisters. I like those too. I mean, sometimes I do, when I'm going shade at them directly, there is that
Speaker 4 00:10:52 The cloud, this coworker I had we'd go back and forth and she would call us chips. Not like in the mean way, just like just playing, you know, cause tribes, you know, D Dakota and Anishinaabi man, they used to fight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:11:12 Yes. We put that to the difference between talking to somebody who is non-native versus talking to someone who is native. So like if I'm talking to another native person and I say I'm from turtle mountain, I don't usually say turn them out and manage Chippewa. Like it's just her alone. And then they're like, oh yeah. All right, right. You're playing Indian. I know where you're from. Or somebody is like, I'm from Perry island. I'm like, all right, I know where that's at. Right. Like we don't have to fill in the blanks of like what people we come from because we already know. Or
Speaker 4 00:11:41 One of those either for me, it's like, I don't even say anything or just say what's up really? Cause I just feel like they're native. Yeah. You could tell. Yeah. You know? Right. So
Speaker 3 00:11:54 Usually we are always trying to look for a connection. So like talking to another, like, that's kind of, one of the things on outreach too, is like breaking the ice and talking to somebody about, you know, where are you? Where are you from? Who's your family? Like, who's your grandma. And like those, those are the conversations that we have naturally. Anyways, anytime we first meet a member native, but like it happens on outreach so organically that we're able to make that connection right away.
Speaker 4 00:12:22 You know what, I, I drive a garbage truck and um, when I'm in south Minneapolis over off like Cedar or highlight outlet, I always come across so many needles, man. And it's just so heartbreaking to me. Like I see that crap and this is like, damn, you know, it has such a grip. And it's just like, I know you guys must come across. Just the people who are doing it. You know, I don't see ice. I see it. Not as much as you guys probably interact with it.
Speaker 2 00:13:03 Yeah. Talk a little bit about that. Um, work, if you could autumn and how it looks, you know, moving. I mean,
Speaker 3 00:13:11 I think the first time that I presented this problem, the city council, I mean, everybody had already been per bumping up the city council, but there was like maybe two and a half years ago where, um, me and my, my supervisor, my knowledge partner, Travis, we were working and I was like, you know what, let's see how many needles we pick up. And just one shift. And within one shift or like three hours, we picked up over like 60, 70 needles. And we locked out after 60 or 70. Um, I put all those needles in a Mason jar. I go a gallon Mason jar. And I brought those to my testimony at a, a city hall meeting. And I sat there and I told them, I was like, you know what? Like every situation that Indian people have been put in, we have adapted to whether that'd be reservations.
Speaker 3 00:14:06 Um, I mean, any time you moved us and made us live somewhere else outside of where we normally come from, we've adapted to it. Right? And now we've adapted to this, this epidemic of heroin, fentanyl we've adapted to it. We, we know our kids are eight years old and they know not to pick up a needle. They know what those needles are for. They know like my son probably could tell you how to pick up a needle because I've been doing outreach for so long. Right. And it's like, we've adapted to this, but at what point are we going to say like, this is this isn't good enough. Like you're not, you're not fulfilling our needs as a community by giving us like adequate treatment centers. Um, I mean, we've, we've known now that heroin, you, don't just, you don't just do a 30 day treatment and you're over it.
Speaker 3 00:15:01 Right? Like this is, uh, a lifelong practice getting over heroin and getting off of heroin and stinging off of heroin. So maintaining your sobriety and their 30 days, it doesn't cut it. Right. And so it's like, almost like it's almost like treatment is like a privileged thing to get to obtain because like, I, I, I called, I called treatment for somebody who had private insurance and they're like, yeah, it's just 15,000 to get through the door. And it's just like, are we going to be able to beat this if we can't even get treated for it? Um, when I, when I went to city council interview cars, I saw this ten-year-old girl put her like five, four or five-year-old brother, sister, or brother on her back and walk him through the grass. And when I asked her why she did that, she was like, because he doesn't have, he doesn't have shoes on yes.
Speaker 3 00:15:59 Sandals on. And I don't want him to step on a needle. And it's like, our kids are paying attention. Our kids, they, they know, um, at little earth, they train children how to administer night in our camp because we're the first responders. The cops don't get there until after it happens. Right. You know, the first responders don't get there until after it happened. So who's gonna save mom, who's gonna find moms. It's, it's probably going to be the kid. And so, I mean, like that's heavy and that's dark, but that's the reality. And so I, I we've had this conversation so many times within our opioid response meeting. It's just like, when, when are they going to start to do better for us? Um, they constantly asked us like, what should they do? Where, where are we going to move? Like when I say, or them asking lots of like local and state government, they always ask us how to help us.
Speaker 3 00:17:00 And, but they, they don't come with the resources. It's just, you know, maybe you can help them, you know, get into your place instead of like, Hey, let's look at a bigger picture. Um, I think, uh, Viva was the first time while we've have like a specific place where people can use inside, I'm in live super low barrier. Like our, our housing, you can come, you can come in and intoxicated or high, or, you know, with your needles. And we were able to like put those aside for you, but, you know, we're making headway, you know, we're, we're coming up with housing options for folks that are out here. But the, the real question was we don't want to read, you know, how adequate treatment for, so let me ask you, killing us and killing us off. Right.
Speaker 2 00:17:52 And I agree too wholeheartedly with everything you said. And, um, I should say we do because, um, it is, um, uh, like the plague and it's hard to describe to people really, it is really hard to describe what it looks like, uh, doing street outreach and then the trauma that's displaced in that work, you know, throughout that work, it is incredible. And so how do you like charge yourself up to go to work? And then how do you, when you get home, um, or you get with your, or wherever you're going at the end of the day, how do you, um, practice self-care so talk, talk about what it takes for you to get going to work, and then what it takes to care for yourself when you're outside of it.
Speaker 3 00:18:51 Um, so it's, it's funny that we're talking about this. So like when I'm out in the field or out of my apartment in general, like I'm a very extrovert person, but then when I'm home, I'm home and I don't, there's, there's been hours where I don't even say a word, um, because I just, um, I'm burned out. Um, one of the things that I can say is that I'm a survivor and because I'm a survivor, I've learned how to deal with crisis in a very structured manner. So like, I know I will take you in and I'm ready to go. I know what to do. I know where to get you all of these things. Like I know how to deescalate, you know, the most escalated personal, um, or knock on wood that I don't have to do that. Um, but when I'm out there, it's, it's that trauma that kicks in my own trial that kicks in that helps me get somebody to go where they need to go. And then I forget to shut it off when I get home. And there's been many, many years that I forgot to shut it off when I get home. And like, sometimes I sit in my car for 20 to 30 minutes before I walk in the house, um, managing myself off and making sure I changed my clothes. The minute that I get in the house has been one of the things that I've recently been doing. Um, just so I can change, I can switch from work mode to mom mode.
Speaker 3 00:20:31 Um, therapy talk therapy has helped a lot, um, because a lot of things that I had to keep my clients like confidentiality with privacy, but like, I don't get to talk about them ever. You know, I don't get to get their stories out and get them off of me talk therapies and, um, really good for me. Um, and that had to be somebody outside of the community because I can't, I don't want to see somebody that I do wrap around services with, for my clients. Um, and then, uh, you know, I just unplugging, I go home to turtle mountain pretty often. That's an eight hour drive. And literally I just groomed, um, trying to recharge myself with people who love me is probably the number one thing that I do.
Speaker 2 00:21:20 Right. Um, I mean, you don't, you don't gotta go eight hours to be loved though. You got people here that love you in Minneapolis. Yeah, sure, sure. But that eight hour drive is nice
Speaker 3 00:21:34 Because it's just quiet the whole time. I don't bring my kids. Oh, you
Speaker 2 00:21:38 Don't see, I'm thinking he's in the back. Like mom, mom, mom, mom.
Speaker 3 00:21:43 <inaudible> he goes to dad's house. Like I'm all like, I will make that drive on a Friday after I drop him off at his dad's house and then turn right back around on Sunday and come home. Nice. It's a good trip.
Speaker 2 00:21:57 No music, no, nothing just quiet.
Speaker 3 00:22:02 Sometimes, sometimes there's music, but sometimes I'll just sit in silence for a while and drink my coffee and smoke a cigarette.
Speaker 2 00:22:10 You know, the, uh, silence piece is, uh, from, um, it's funny that you mentioned that the reason why I brought that up, but because often I do that when I'm at home, after a rough day, like last summer was just, it was tough, you know? And, um, being quiet has been a way that when I got home, um, from doing street outreach was a way for me to recharge, you know? And, uh, it's funny that I never really asked any other outreach workers if they did that. But you know how, like, if you're talking all day, it's super hard to talk after work, man. It is, it is. It's hard to explain to anyone else, I guess at that, if you, if you did that for a living, um, like someplace where you had to really engage people all the time, and then when you got home, you probably wouldn't be like, yeah, let me tell you about my day. And then I did this and then it's just, it did doesn't come out like that for
Speaker 4 00:23:12 Me, you can just be like, turn on the podcast and listen, nice softball. So that's not all I did, but
Speaker 2 00:23:25 What that's funny though, that's was funny. Yeah. Me
Speaker 3 00:23:29 And our two other outreach workers too. Even our triggers, we went out and got her nails and toes done after week, the week before. I can't remember. But we came in as like a squat to get our, our Manny's and Betty's and the people that were our nails are like, how can you guys came together? Or like, yeah. And they're like, how come you're so quiet? Like you guys aren't talking to each other. Usually when people come in here together, like they come here to like visit hanging out, you know, gossip. And you guys haven't said a word to write off your work. And I didn't realize that neither of us had said a word to each other.
Speaker 2 00:24:07 Wow. Wow. The quiet time. Tell us about how, how does your son deal with you being quiet when you get home? I mean, does he, does he say, I know we talked a little bit about that in tax, but how does he deal with it? Is he like, all right, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna let you have that space because I know now. Um, and then I'll be okay.
Speaker 3 00:24:37 Yeah. I, I think over time, um, he's really adapted to, to my job and to my work. Um, so like he just, the, the, the vocabulary that he uses when he speaks is like this, the doctor asked him like, what, what his mom do for a living. And he was like, my mother, um, my mother served the unsheltered population and she was like, excuse me. He was like, she helps people get housing. And the doctor was like, oh, all right, like, that's nice. I heard an eight year old doesn't. But, um, he, he knows, he knows how he sees like homeless people sleeping on benches, or you see somebody signing or I'll run into somebody while I'm with him. And so he, he gets a glimpse of what I do. Um, and then when I get home, usually I'm like, all right, I'm gonna cook dinner this. So this is where I'm at. Like, can you play for like 45 minutes? And then he'll just go. So he's an only kid. He's only child. You've got everything in his room, nice. Everything to entertain him. He's good
Speaker 2 00:25:57 Because he got some air force ones.
Speaker 3 00:26:00 Um, no, he's a van, the van person.
Speaker 2 00:26:04 Oh, he doesn't have your sneaker.
Speaker 4 00:26:07 He's on fans. You're like, no, he's
Speaker 2 00:26:11 Gonna get them vans. And I get these brass air force ones.
Speaker 5 00:26:17 He's going to get flat
Speaker 4 00:26:18 Feet and have comfortable feet or forces or not. Your forces are masses and he
Speaker 3 00:26:27 Doesn't care. He doesn't care that babies are scuffed up. He's a kid. Dang. Yeah, that's it. He has a pair of vans and he's already ran those a little bit. Burt, does he skate? No, he doesn't do anything risky. He's the safe kid. Right. So if there's a risk involved, chances are, he's not going to do it.
Speaker 4 00:26:57 Why is that you think?
Speaker 3 00:27:01 I don't know. I think he's, uh, I think he's a critical thinker and I think he thinks about how things are going to pan out, but like riding a bike, I've got them on a bike, like maybe four times. And he's like, yeah, I know Ken get hurt. Not going to do this. The brain
Speaker 5 00:27:22 He's afraid
Speaker 3 00:27:25 Correctly. I even like, I, I try to get him to like swear or do like knobby things. He won't do. They'll be there. Not yet. Not yet. No. It's good kicking it. I hope. Nah, that'd be good.
Speaker 2 00:27:47 So you talked a little bit about, uh, the mayor, you know, and the work, the work in the city in Minneapolis in particular, right. Um, how has, well, your work in the community and then you see native women and some of the, um, a lot of the alarm around missing, uh, native women and sisters and daughters. How have you, um, really participated in any of that, to, um, to the point of both talking about it or spreading awareness about it? Or is that something that intersects with your street outreach work?
Speaker 3 00:28:36 Um, I think it does intersect with street outreach work just because we see you're talking about MMI w right? Yeah. Just, yup. I'm missing murdered indigenous women. Um, it was funny cause the sheriff thought he put me on to that the other day. It was so funny. He was like, have you seen a documentary in cannibal where all the women, yeah. Right. Did you know that there was gangs and they shot each other? Oh, those are cute. It's cute. Thank you. Um, it's wild. You bring that up because there was just a woman, um, who they identified her remain and she was a young lady from turtle mountain. And have you sat out today?
Speaker 2 00:29:18 Nah, you know, I have been not watching the news, but I should do that before we talk on this podcast. But I'll do that next time
Speaker 3 00:29:29 Because they couldn't read the whole thing. I read just a portion of it. It was pretty narrowly. She, her body was found in a, I guess like a plastic story you called and then they finally identified her body, but this was from 2005. They found a body. So this was like just an case being resolved. One out of the thousands. I said one out of the thousands. Yeah. I mean, you know how fast they find white kids when they go missing? Like with an Amber alert, they find like in Rouge by the end of the day.
Speaker 0 00:30:11 No, like for real, that's real talk.
Speaker 2 00:30:14 That is real talk. The
Speaker 4 00:30:17 Funny thing I find about the funny thing I noticed about people from Canada, they're always kinda like on social media anyways. They're always like, America is crazy or they'll have like memes that are like, we're ready. If you want to come up here, blah, blah, blah. And act like it's so great. But Canada towards native people is just as bad or even worse than America in some aspects because they do native people are dirty. Hold on, sorry. I'm watching, he's watching the dues.
Speaker 3 00:31:00 You stick in his bedroom. And I went through a Hannison Gatorade because I could hear him coughing. Yeah. I have family in Canada actually. Um, my grandmother's side of my family is from Canada and yeah, they are they're Hellraisers because I think from what I know, I'm married very nervous. They don't have to pay taxes. And so that you know that this is white people off. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:31:31 Well, they don't have to, either here, you don't have to pay state taxes. I mean, right. If you live on the rose.
Speaker 3 00:31:39 Oh, I was like, I see right. I was like, what discount am I not getting
Speaker 4 00:31:49 Like that? Like, that's good compensation. Hey, the reservations are like third world countries where you don't have to pay taxes.
Speaker 3 00:31:59 Right. I mean, that's always there as always any biggest argument too, like you don't pay taxes, you get free medical care, right? Yeah. No human rights matter hackers. Like you're mad over like a little bit up on you.
Speaker 4 00:32:16 Hey Adam, do you ever get, uh, do you ever get to, well, you're a native, how much casino money do you get?
Speaker 3 00:32:23 All the time I was working at a treatment center, which I'll leave the name out and uh, Nope. Like, uh, she was my supervisor and she was like, so like, I, I, um, cause I was talking, one of my coworkers is like, um, oh, my grandpa was calling me fat and I was like, it wasn't your Indian grandpa. Was it? And she was like, no, it wasn't my white grandpa. How'd you know that I'm like, because Indians don't tease, that'd be Indians about being fat. They tease you. If you're too skinny supervisor, I was like, well, why, why is that? And I'm like, I don't even know. Probably because we live in poverty and we eat like hyper processed food because that's all that's given to us. And she was like, but don't you guys like get casino money? I was like, that's a real, that's a real, how you guys think that we're just all out here balling.
Speaker 0 00:33:32 Right? Jason White, you gotta be fucking Bez, bro.
Speaker 4 00:33:39 The problem is, did I see is like half of the dudes buy nice cars and they want to be like hip hop artists and then they live in a dirty old double-wide you know, it's like, dude, you invest your money, do something with it. Stop trying to be like right. You know? Well, I don't, I mean, you know, I ain't got
Speaker 2 00:34:05 That problem, bro. I mean, that's that's uh, I guess I gotta wait. So I'd get my money to tell you what it's like.
Speaker 4 00:34:13 And that's the only some of it. I mean, that's just, that's just a small, you know, it's, it's that whole idea of like, you can take someone out of the rest, but you can't take the roads out of them.
Speaker 2 00:34:25 Yeah. Like, you know, take someone out the hood, but you can't take that out. The person, same difference.
Speaker 4 00:34:31 People aren't still trapped in, in their minds. Right. You know, it's teacher
Speaker 3 00:34:38 Teaching. I couldn't even tell you what would be the first thing I would buy. If I was, you know, getting $42,000 a
Speaker 4 00:34:46 Month. If you're getting that peak money,
Speaker 3 00:34:49 Dan, I probably, maybe I wouldn't have to buy my shoes on layaway.
Speaker 2 00:34:55 Would you just go get every color or would you just be like every week you just be like, man, you know what? I'm just going to get a shoe, a pair of shoes every week. And then I don't
Speaker 3 00:35:06 Know. I'd probably have like a Hummer H three car, right? Right. One for your
Speaker 4 00:35:15 Shoes, gas, guzzler, earth protector.
Speaker 0 00:35:20 Then you can get out and do outreach, change your shoes, put on your work shoes,
Speaker 4 00:35:25 Cover your shoes up with those little like plastic things. So they don't get dirty. Yeah. Those doctor's scrubs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:35:33 Full has marked fruit. Can I help you?
Speaker 4 00:35:40 Hey Alan, I got it. I got, I got a funny story for you. I don't think Dave knows this one. So one time, uh, back in the eighties, we were in this neighborhood, 18th and park used to be a really bad crack neighborhood. Uh,
Speaker 2 00:35:54 It kinda still is bro.
Speaker 4 00:35:56 A little bit. Not as much, but it was really bad. We all getting out of the car. Cause a friend of ours lived down there and this, this elder native woman was like, she looked at me. She's like you got, you know, you got some change. I was like, I was a teenager. I was broke. I was like, no, she got all insulted. And you're an apple. And I was like, what? She's like your apple. Oh, what are you talking about? Red on the outside. White on. I've never heard that before. Hmm. That's a good one. It was funny.
Speaker 3 00:36:46 Somebody was saying something about white people saying that about Indians. I'm like, nah, I ain't never heard that a white person call another Indian person in. Apple's always a really good person. Right?
Speaker 4 00:36:57 Yeah. Because I heard it. The only
Speaker 3 00:36:58 People that'd be revoking Indian cards, they're Indian people.
Speaker 2 00:37:02 Right, right. I don't think anybody was going to the brand's card. Thanks. So I know some folks we can revoke them black cards. I got a list. I got a, fuck it. And list
Speaker 5 00:37:18 Tim Scott,
Speaker 0 00:37:20 Scott. Yeah. Buddy. Tim Scott.
Speaker 2 00:37:23 You need to, you need to hang it up bro.
Speaker 4 00:37:27 The thing that kinda me and Dave were talking about this about the murdered missing indigenous women is like, it's insane. How many women and girls are just disappearing. And so the denied beg the question like, well how many women just in general, you know, cause it's always people of color. Right. And you're like, well now you gotta look at European women because there's a lot of them. Right. So were all these women going?
Speaker 3 00:38:03 Yeah, see, that's the thing. So, um, I don't even know if I touched on that, um, with outreach, like there's, there's new women on the bladder every day and especially once the summer hits and you'll usually see, um, their pimps driving by like close by. And it's always, there's always a new parents too. So it's like these, these girls, whether they're coming plan different reservations and they're coming here to Minneapolis to be sold, um, that's a big one, especially young ones. And I don't even know how much work is actually going into finding any of these. Right. Which is the status part. Um, so it's like the, when they finally do get on the ground and try to find these women, are they already, did they just poof and vanish in the seminar? Is that really true? Or is it just the cops not doing their job? Which we all know cops said, didn't have to do their job
Speaker 2 00:39:11 Too busy shooting black kids.
Speaker 4 00:39:13 And maybe some of them are in on it.
Speaker 2 00:39:15 Right. I mean, you got to believe that at some point, like how does it get to this point without them being involved or the dope trade
Speaker 4 00:39:23 Thing? I'll tell you guys something. I have heard it hasn't been proven, but it's kind of a semi known fact that that building, that Sharvin and in and Floyd worked at was a known sex trade, like bar, whatever you want to call it. And so it's just like this weird like, well that's odd. The thing I found out about it is because that building was one of the first buildings to burn down and it was burned down. It burned down to the, to the basement and that building been there for decades. And the lady who supposedly was owned it or ran it just sold it like three months before that.
Speaker 2 00:40:14 Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. What about that? It wasn't that a w was it a Madorie sushi world or something? It was at the same building or was that across the street? No,
Speaker 4 00:40:28 There were, I mean that place had like one of those, um, it was like,
Speaker 2 00:40:33 It was the corner. It was the corner building. Right. That had that weird parking lot.
Speaker 4 00:40:38 Yeah. It was right. You know where that town talk? Diners that building there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:40:43 People lived above that two man. There was a lot of apartments up in there. All I heard
Speaker 4 00:40:49 On the street, there was some shady shit going down there. Wasn't surprise girls be trafficking, sex trafficking and stuff. Wasn't surprised.
Speaker 3 00:40:58 I was just wondering, is it the town tack diner that, that whole building burned down. Yeah. That whole
Speaker 4 00:41:04 Block. Yup. That whole corner there. That's
Speaker 3 00:41:10 There.
Speaker 4 00:41:11 You know, and there's a Mexican, I was like one of those Mexican polka type clubs.
Speaker 0 00:41:16 Okay. You know what I mean? Nah, nigga.
Speaker 2 00:41:21 Cause motherfucking Mexicans don't listen to poke. You
Speaker 4 00:41:23 Know, they do that. Music is just poker. Dude. Look it up. I am not kidding. You wait
Speaker 2 00:41:29 A minute. So you're saying they're Polish.
Speaker 4 00:41:32 There is a connection. I looked it up. I'm just teasing you, man. I know you look at me like <inaudible>, they're not
Speaker 2 00:41:39 Really listened to when I hear that music. The last thing I think of is white people that who can't dance. Trust
Speaker 4 00:41:45 Me, dude. Anyways, when
Speaker 3 00:41:47 I hear that music, I just think of next to them. Yeah. I don't think you're like stiff ass. It doesn't sound like fucking music. You sauerkraut listen to it, dude. Trust me, spelt beard and shit.
Speaker 4 00:42:01 What'd you say? So maybe they got along.
Speaker 2 00:42:04 Oh, the Mexicans in poker people. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:42:08 That's another show right there. That's another show. Awesome. Well, thanks for having me. Thank
Speaker 2 00:42:15 You for being on the show. We really appreciate you. And um, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 00:42:20 He has nice talking with you. Take care. Hi.
Speaker 6 00:42:30 Thank you for listening. I'm K F a I Minneapolis and thanks to our producer, Matt hill.
