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Speaker 3 00:00:44 Welcome to sticks and stones. Dave is not here today, so it's just Jason, but I have have special guests hosts solo stars with me today. And we're going to be talking about her music and whatnot.
Speaker 4 00:01:05 It's the, what nots I'm scared of.
Speaker 3 00:01:10 I mean, what have you been doing since the last time I seen you?
Speaker 4 00:01:14 Um, I've been preparing for my listening party. So finishing up my project and preparing to share my most vulnerable thoughts with a room full of about 40 people.
Speaker 3 00:01:28 Have you had done this before?
Speaker 4 00:01:29 Um, not in this format. This is a little different.
Speaker 3 00:01:35 I wanted to go so bad, but I'm taking my daughter off to college. I was like, no,
Speaker 4 00:01:41 It's about to be lit. Yeah. I have virtual tickets too, but you'll probably be on the road, right? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:01:47 Yeah. That's awesome. It's a it's what, how did you come up with this idea? Such a good idea.
Speaker 4 00:01:52 So just not really being able to narrow down the tracks and being like, I don't know. Sometimes people think I'm sociable, but I'm really not. So trying to be more inclusive and, um, and open in my process. Um, yeah, and I like exclusive, I was about to say shit, can you say shit on here? Okay. I like exclusive shit. So like having like a few of my closest supporters there and being like, okay, I rock with this. I like this. And like, we can sit that one out. Like that's kind of exciting, especially how long they waited for the music. My last project was 2018. Was it 2019? It was at least two years ago. So
Speaker 3 00:02:40 That's been a minute. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:02:43 Yeah. Just to have people, part of my process,
Speaker 3 00:02:45 That's kind of a, that would be really fun, you know, because it would be a memory as a fan or, you know, like as someone who follows you, it, ah, I got to over to this listening party and they'll pick the songs. And so that's really cool. And then support you to like,
Speaker 4 00:03:05 I'm a big fan of creating unique experiences. Like even as an event curator, like things that I've done around the city or like nothing like anyone else is doing. And so, yeah, just continuing to, to hold that energy with everything I do.
Speaker 3 00:03:22 That's good. So when is this album coming out?
Speaker 4 00:03:25 Um, like I told bear-ish, I'm thinking
Speaker 3 00:03:30 Just as a ballpark,
Speaker 4 00:03:32 So I'm not, I'm not trying to Kanye to shit. I don't want to drag it out. Um, but yeah, like, so the songs will officially be picked out Thursday. Right, right. So then like figuring out based off of the songs that we all collectively decide on about visuals and you know how to arrange them and, and that kind of thing. So just giving myself a little bit of space in that regard, but I'm thinking fall for sure.
Speaker 3 00:03:56 How many songs are you guys gotta whittle down? So
Speaker 4 00:03:59 I, I had like 20 something songs. I narrowed it down to 16 for us to choose from. And I'm thinking I want like eight to 11 and two of them are interludes.
Speaker 3 00:04:09 Okay. Yeah. That's that's a lot of listening. Yeah. They're going to be busy. Yeah. That's that's man. How would you pick between six? Oh yeah. That's that would be very fun. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:04:27 I think so for like a real music kid, it's like, I don't know. It's like being in a studio, one of your favorite artists, like,
Speaker 3 00:04:34 Are you going to have like a sheet so they can?
Speaker 4 00:04:37 Yeah. So they, part of their package, they get, um, journals, little love, hangover journals, and Cairns. I love to journal. Um, so, well, you know, that you saw my book. Um, so they'll be able to kind of take notes and they have like a few questions just to get them thinking about like, how does this beat make you feel? Um, do you like the feature? How do you, how does this resonate with you? Is it relatable? Like, so just things like that to kinda think about with each song,
Speaker 3 00:05:04 By the way that book looks so cool. Thank you. I was, that was such a surprise. I was like, what? You got a book.
Speaker 4 00:05:13 Yeah. I've, um, I'll be doing a lot. I've been a little bit struggling with how to push it. Cause like, you know, I got my music on and then I'm a youth advocate and it's like, damn girl, you always doing something. But, um, Yeah. So I just kinda, I know, woof, um, what was my point? I didn't know how to drop it or when to drop it. I've kind of been sitting on it for a while. Um, but August is a heavy grief month for me. Um, tomorrow is actually the anniversary of my sister passing. Um, so I'm like, okay, this is how I'm going to keep busy this month between pushing my book and pushing my event. I'm not going to be crying and drinking Hennessy day. Um, I'm going to be busy. And so yeah,
Speaker 3 00:06:02 I feel you create a way
Speaker 4 00:06:04 To channel that pain,
Speaker 3 00:06:06 Right? Yep. And then also in music that you make to
Speaker 4 00:06:10 Yeah. And the opportunity to just heal somebody else, like you're never the only one going through what you're going through.
Speaker 3 00:06:16 For sure. That is definitely true. Um, in the, can you tell these guys about the book a little more?
Speaker 4 00:06:25 Yeah. So it's called the seven day grief journal for hip hop lovers. Um, obviously I love hip hop. Um, I also love to write and express myself through just free writing and journal journal. I was gonna say journalism, journaling. Um, but yeah, I think it's just, it's therapeutic to just get those thoughts out. Sometimes you're not comfortable sharing what you're really feeling or thinking with other people. And so just having like four writing prompts that kind of guide you because some people get their pen to the paper and they're like, well, what the hell am I supposed to write? Well, let me help you out a little bit. So, um, we have really cool visuals of like some of my favorite hip hop artists and quotes from them that inspire like the writing prompts. So yeah, it's pretty dope if I say so myself,
Speaker 3 00:07:11 It is, it is very dope. Actually. I'm going to have to get one of those just to have
Speaker 4 00:07:16 Sure it's available on Amazon. So, um, my name NACARA white, the author, um, I, I thought about you the solo star, but I'm like, I kind of want to separate these people. This is more of an, a car thing, not just the little star thing. Um, so yeah, seven day grief journal it's available on Amazon,
Speaker 3 00:07:36 Pick it up, pick it up. There'll be, it's worth it. Trust me.
Speaker 4 00:07:40 Yeah. One of my friends, um, her grandmother recently passed and she's like been using it to like cope and kind of process some of her feelings and it's all different kinds of grief. Right? So there's like one like processing a friendship that failed. Like there's not just, you know, the death of someone sometimes it's just the death of a relationship or a piece of yourself that no longer serves you. Like yeah. So it explores more than just losing a loved one. It's pretty, um, pretty dynamic if I say so myself much
Speaker 3 00:08:17 Like grief,
Speaker 4 00:08:18 For sure. It's layers to the shame. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:08:22 There is very much layers to that. Definitely. How long have you been performing or rapid? What may or actually what made you want to rap?
Speaker 4 00:08:32 Um, so I wanted to be a singer. I didn't, I didn't plan to be a rapper, but singing is very vulnerable and I wasn't confident in my voice. Um, and I had more to say than I felt like I could fit in like an R and B song. Right. This was before everybody was like seeing rapping and shit. Right. This was, this was when like army was RB. Hip hop was yes I am. And that's my business. Right. But, um, I had a song called money on my mind and I wanted somebody to rap on it and I couldn't find nobody. I wasn't satisfied with anything people were coming up with and I wrote a rap verse and I liked it. I liked the freedom in it. I liked that I didn't have to be on pitch or like worry about that kind of thing. Um, so I started rapping and that's how it happened.
Speaker 3 00:09:24 So before that, what got you sing it?
Speaker 4 00:09:28 Um, I don't know. I've always loved music. That's true. Always love music. Yeah. Yeah. And I love poetry. Right. So I was always writing. Um, yeah, just kind of naturally tapping.
Speaker 3 00:09:44 Dave has a question for you. What's up
Speaker 4 00:09:46 Dave?
Speaker 3 00:09:49 Uh, what's it like being a black female MC in Minnesota?
Speaker 4 00:09:54 Whew. Child. What do I start? Wow.
Speaker 3 00:10:01 Okay.
Speaker 4 00:10:02 Exactly eggs. Fuck. Exactly. At the bottom. Um, we all know Minnesota is very, um, very, very Caucasian. And so just a little bit, very much, a little bit. Um, and so being a black female MC first of all, being a female MC, you're already kind of, they try to put you on the outskirts and try to, you know, like you gotta kind of fight your way in to be as good as guys who are not even good. Um, you
Speaker 3 00:10:34 Are definitely better than a lot of dudes I have seen here.
Speaker 4 00:10:37 Thank you. I appreciate that. So then not only are you fighting through all of these, you know, I don't even know what to call them. You're fighting through the average rapper and then you have to beat the door down through the white rappers. Like it's, it's, it's oversaturated it's first of all, it's too many rappers. I wish some of them would sit down. Um, but it's, it's um, expiration
Speaker 3 00:11:02 Dates on the wrappers,
Speaker 4 00:11:03 Please just y'all sour anyway, just I'm just talking shit. I like some of y'all, but, um, it's difficult to say the least, um, there's not, there's not enough respect or recognition for black female MCs. And we are really, the code is out here. Like my favorite rappers are the females, like the SJS and, and beat out crack and lioness. And my Mr. Shell, like way harder than any, I'm not gonna name no names cause that'd be tacky. But like
Speaker 3 00:11:48 Right. I, I don't, I, I feel like that, um, it seems to me like it like, like gets the embassies, the black females get like, if you ain't talking about sex or fucking or whatever, then it's like link. Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:12:08 And that's on a larger platform. So like we're talking about locally having to navigate, just being female and then being black on top of being female, which is disrespectful. Cause like hip hop comes from black people. It's like the audacity of you to set the standard for what came from our people. Right. There's that on a local level. And then on the larger scene, like if you're not bragging on your coochie, then they don't want to hear you. So it's like, wow, how dare you be black and female and talking about something and want to rap.
Speaker 3 00:12:40 They don't like that.
Speaker 4 00:12:41 They don't, I don't care what they don't like.
Speaker 3 00:12:46 I, I agree. There's so much good stuff that is not played on the radio. Some people know about a lot of people. Don't
Speaker 4 00:12:56 A whole nother beast, right? Like even thinking about a cure, writing a project, are we forced to think about what the radio might play or do we have the freedom to be true to what it is we want to say, you know, there's like,
Speaker 3 00:13:11 We know what the radio wants to hear. Right.
Speaker 4 00:13:14 And I'm not like, I don't know. I don't make party music. Like I've been saying lately, I'm not a rapper. I'm a solo artist. Right. I don't know if you've had the opportunity to really listen to my stuff, but it's not, it's not typical rap. So even with that, you get placed in a box and expect it to, oh, spit something. Well, no, like I have something more to say than just your, the bravado that is expected out of rap. You know what I mean? So it's, there's so many layers you have to fight through.
Speaker 3 00:13:47 That seems a lot like life in many ways, you know, I think unfortunately in this society, that's what most privileged people don't understand. And they taste a sample of that. They freak out like, man, you haven't even gotten bro.
Speaker 4 00:14:06 You don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:14:08 You haven't even gotten in there deep enough to know the true, like perseverance of just daily life on top of this little ass shit that you gotta worry about, you know, which to them, I don't know. I, I have this, I try not to, um, each person's, what do you want to call it? Like struggles or whatever they got do. What is maybe, uh, you know, might be really hard for them, but it's really hard for me because I see, uh, people who with privilege who piss a moan about the dumbest shit, like the audacity. And it's hard for me to look past that because my mom raised four kids basically by herself with hardly any help. And we struggled and she struggled, you know, and she did it, but it wasn't, we didn't get no generational wealth.
Speaker 4 00:15:09 You know, we have all of these privileged rappers who have the funds to put behind their journey. Right. And so it's like somebody who really has to grind for this shit and actually is gifted. Is that a disadvantage? Right? Cause they, they can't afford to always go to the studio or to put on big shows or, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3 00:15:35 I think that's, I think that's probably one of the great things about social media and uh, people being able to find some way to do it off of,
Speaker 4 00:15:45 Yeah. It's a little bit of an equalizer. It's also a clown show.
Speaker 3 00:15:50 That's true. I mean, man, I just, yeah, I agree. You know, cause it's like, if you put, you know, some crazy ass video on YouTube and it gets a lot of hits, then people pay attention and you can be a total idiot and it happens all the time. Right. I mean, it's basically those companies know, oh, we're gonna make money off this fool, you know? And he's like, oh, I'll sell my soul. And then you'll have nothing to show for. Oh my goodness. When they don't no one cares, you know? Yeah. All flavor months, God, we got this other guy, but man, I can imagine
Speaker 4 00:16:32 You mind if I go live for a snippet of this.
Speaker 3 00:16:34 Sure. I don't care like yourself out. And also, uh, how's motherhood been
Speaker 4 00:16:42 Motherhood. Oh my gosh. Motherhood is ghetto. And nobody told me that it was going to be ghetto. Like, you know, people talk about like how beautiful it is and oh, like the joys of being a mom like, nah, man, motherhood is ghetto. You're like, wait a minute. I wasn't ready. But it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 00:17:17 I don't think anybody. I think people plan it, but I honestly feel like, I don't think you ever can be totally ready to have a kid. Cause it's kinda like, you can read all the books you want, but when that shit happens, those books go right out the door.
Speaker 4 00:17:34 I'm a reading ass fool. I was um, I was like, you need to, you need to give those books up. Okay. Like there's, there's not enough preparation for this. You just got to live in it and walk in it. And you don't know who this little person is going to be like, ain't no cookie kids. So it's like, yeah, there's no way to prepare. It's just ghetto. It just prepare for it to be ghetto. That's it
Speaker 3 00:17:59 About that? You prepare to be tired,
Speaker 4 00:18:01 Prepare to be overwhelmed, prepared for groceries.
Speaker 3 00:18:05 Oh yeah. We used to terrorize my mom where kids just being
Speaker 4 00:18:09 Kids. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 00:18:12 He usually does that. I feel like it does. If you continue to be a shitty kid,
Speaker 4 00:18:18 Not a city kid,
Speaker 3 00:18:19 You know, if you're a shitty kid, you have kids and they're shitty to you. Like you're,
Speaker 4 00:18:23 You know, as soon as I got pregnant, I start humbling myself and like apologizing to my mind for shit. Cause I just felt it. I don't know. I just looked like over appreciative and I still just call my mom and just say, thank you. I love you. Like I, um, I don't want to sound judgmental, but I can be very critical. I'm a Capricorn. I think it's just in my nature. But like I used to be like, mommy, shit for doing that. Like why would she do that? Why would she handle that that way? And it's like, now I have to, you know, backtrack and be like, I get it. I get it. And I empathize and I'm sorry, let me just put a damper on this karma and like, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:19:05 That's the best way to do it. Cause I've seen some people who fight it and that kid just runs him to the ground.
Speaker 4 00:19:11 You know, unnecessary lessons for me. I'm good. I'm good. I apologize to my baby too. I think that's one of the best things my mom taught me is to be humble with your children. Like play as fuck up, you know, just because you're the parent doesn't mean that you got all the answers. Like even when my one-year-old I'd be like, you know what? I ain't even have to holler at you like that, bro. I'm so sorry. Like mommy's frustrated. You know, I talked to my kid for real, like eat a big homie anyway. So
Speaker 3 00:19:42 That's good. I always, I mean, I do that even with my dogs because I feel like
Speaker 4 00:19:49 They got Finland, right?
Speaker 3 00:19:50 They feel the feelings and kids. I mean like, especially babies, it's not, they just don't know how to communicate. They understand the feelings, they feel those. So I always think it's weird when people are like, they, um, when you, your kid can feel the stress or the anxiety. And I think when parents like try to act like, oh, they, if they don't see it, they won't feel it. And I think that sets them up in the long run when they're older to misinterpret what they're actually feeling, because they're like, well, when I felt like this mom or dad did that, you know, but if they would've been healthy with it, the kids can move down a lot faster
Speaker 4 00:20:37 And humility goes a long way. For sure. Bree says she needs a nap right now, girl. Yes, yes, girl. Fuck them. Kids lay down.
Speaker 4 00:20:51 Hey. Wow. Cause you got a sophomore in high school. You owe this hell. That's crazy. He said it goes from ghetto to project parenting. Yeah. Yeah. High rises all Gale.
Speaker 3 00:21:05 Yeah. I definitely, uh, naps. I mastered those things
Speaker 4 00:21:10 Tastes and he thinks he get on his kid's nerves. I'm sure you do. You can on my nerves sometimes.
Speaker 3 00:21:17 What, uh, where did you grow up?
Speaker 4 00:21:21 Um, somewhat everywhere
Speaker 3 00:21:24 In Minneapolis or Minnesota,
Speaker 4 00:21:27 Minnesota. Chicago. I've lived in Georgia. This is one of the things I judged my mom about, but I'm sorry. I'm ready to move right now though. Low key. So, um, and then
Speaker 3 00:21:42 No, Atlanta, I think we talked about this a little bit before on that live stream.
Speaker 4 00:21:46 Yeah. I lived in Georgia. I've lived in Milwaukee. I lived in Chicago. Um, I lived in Vegas. I went to like five different high schools. So when people, we did talk about this, when people ask me like, where are you from? Like, they expect me to say St. Paul or Minneapolis. And at this point I just say twin cities. Cause like, y'all not going to put me in a box.
Speaker 3 00:22:11 I'm from this earth. Where did you grow up
Speaker 4 00:22:14 On this ghetto planet? That's it?
Speaker 3 00:22:19 Well, that's quite a journey. Why were you moving around so much?
Speaker 4 00:22:23 I was a child. I didn't have a choice.
Speaker 3 00:22:25 Mom was just like,
Speaker 4 00:22:27 My mom did not like Minnesota. Like she's from Chicago. Didn't want to live there. Um, yeah, just wanting to be elsewhere. I wanted some warm weather and yeah.
Speaker 3 00:22:39 Yeah. So does she live here now? Obviously not. She does
Speaker 4 00:22:42 Baby. And she, she low key want to move? My dad is like, no, no more, no more home girl, but yeah,
Speaker 3 00:22:52 Your mom's like a nomad. She just wants to guess go gypsy.
Speaker 4 00:22:55 Yeah. Huh?
Speaker 3 00:22:57 How long were you in Vegas for? How was that?
Speaker 4 00:23:00 Vegas? I want to say like a year <inaudible> yeah.
Speaker 3 00:23:05 Was there a lot of black people there?
Speaker 4 00:23:07 We lived in a black neighborhood, but it was pretty diverse. Yeah. I hated Vegas. I used to have nightmares. I think the devil lived in Vegas for real seriously.
Speaker 3 00:23:18 Yeah. I can kind of see that for some reason. I wouldn't
Speaker 4 00:23:21 Want to raise kids there
Speaker 3 00:23:23 City.
Speaker 4 00:23:24 Yeah, for sure. For sure. That was a no for me,
Speaker 3 00:23:28 I think. Uh, where would you ideally love to raise your son?
Speaker 4 00:23:36 You know, I, I love Minnesota and I hate to even say that in a public, as long as not to travel where I want to go. I don't mind this being my home base. Hmm. I would prefer to live somewhere warm, but if I could like dip off in a winter time and live somewhere hot and then come back in the spring, our little petty ass spring we have and short summer, I don't know.
Speaker 3 00:24:06 Do you like the heat heat or do you like humidity and heat? Um, cause like Florida would be a no-go for me. Like I like that
Speaker 4 00:24:16 And I liked it. I didn't mind Florida heat. I didn't mind it.
Speaker 3 00:24:22 It's too hard for me. I'm already a warm person. So it's like, I like Northern California would be like ideal for me or I guess LA or whatever I'm
Speaker 4 00:24:32 Thinking about Texas.
Speaker 3 00:24:36 Texas seems chill. Yeah. Where at? I
Speaker 4 00:24:40 Don't know. Have you been there? I've been to Dallas.
Speaker 3 00:24:43 I've been there too. It seems pretty chill. Yeah. I actually didn't know what to expect and it was really diverse there and I thought that was really cool. Cause up here the perception is just a bunch of fucking Cowboys know. Right?
Speaker 4 00:24:59 Yeah. People like it's black people there. What do I look like?
Speaker 3 00:25:04 They're everywhere
Speaker 4 00:25:06 Milwaukee. No, no, that's a no for me, somebody said motor Milwaukee. He said
Speaker 3 00:25:13 Milwaukee's eh,
Speaker 4 00:25:15 Ghetto. I need to stop using that word. I use the word ghetto today. And my, uh, I had a staff meeting and I felt really bad for like using that, to describe something that I didn't like in front of all of these Caucasians. And I didn't want them to agree with me, but I didn't, I couldn't think of a word fast enough to describe my distaste for that particular energy. And I was like, I need to, I need to not be saying that
Speaker 3 00:25:43 I'd be like, that's a word we can
Speaker 4 00:25:44 Use. Yeah. Like I'm not trying to give you all green lights.
Speaker 3 00:25:49 The old thug word here at gab,
Speaker 4 00:25:51 Right? Yeah. No.
Speaker 3 00:25:55 Well what, uh, how many albums have you put out?
Speaker 4 00:26:00 Put out two mix tapes. Don't look them up.
Speaker 3 00:26:06 Find them.
Speaker 4 00:26:08 Probably not. This was like when CDs was popping. So I keep dating myself. Don't ask me how old I am. Long as I look good. Okay. Um, so I put out two mix tapes, um, uh, an EAP, two EPS and then the project I'm about to release.
Speaker 3 00:26:33 Nice.
Speaker 4 00:26:34 We're all stretched out
Speaker 3 00:26:36 Like years in between
Speaker 4 00:26:39 The first two was like a year in between maybe a year and a half. Cause I joined the military and then I came back and kind of dropped a project around that concept, the
Speaker 3 00:26:51 Military. What the hell? What made you do that?
Speaker 4 00:26:54 I wanted my education paid for.
Speaker 3 00:26:58 I understand that it
Speaker 4 00:26:59 Really, you know, I really was trying to flex on my parents. So my stepfather was in the military and he could use like his GI bill for me. And he told me no. And I was like, nigga, I was going to go get my GI bill. And nobody believed me until it was time for me to go. They like yo prissy ass. Like he ain't finna do ain't no military. And I was boots on the ground, like
Speaker 3 00:27:23 Really
Speaker 4 00:27:24 Rucksack on my back, um, character building for real, it was traumatic. And I learned a lot. I feel like the military made me a better woman for sure. It gave me a discipline that, um, would have taken me longer to adapt for sure.
Speaker 3 00:27:47 What was the worst bootcamp?
Speaker 4 00:27:53 Um, I don't know if there's a worst in the military. It's all very, um, excuse me. I'm gonna do better. All very ghetto. It's the people are they're coming from all over the United States. So they dirty, they stink, they think different. They, you got your racist, you got just, you know, it's just a lot and they put you all in one bag and y'all got to sleep together and live together and work together in oh, so many vaginas in one space for me, like it was just, you got to save with them. Like it was a lot,
Speaker 3 00:28:29 It was all women
Speaker 4 00:28:31 And that's particular living space. But then, you know, then you ugly the whole time. Right? Cause you, you dirty all day. You can't get your hair done, your nails done. And then you gotta go like work out in front of all these dudes and you got to eat fast as hell. Wow. I'm having flashbacks. Don't ask me.
Speaker 3 00:28:54 I would've never got it. Someone's like solo stars and military. I'd be like
Speaker 4 00:28:58 Military body.
Speaker 3 00:29:00 We can always get that back. Go jump in the military, get
Speaker 4 00:29:05 It's a strong note for me. I low key got kicked out. Cause the rap really? Yeah. So I, so when I came back from bootcamp, um, I had written all this music and I had a show at, um, damn. What was that spot called? Downtown? Which one?
Speaker 3 00:29:22 It was, um,
Speaker 4 00:29:24 It was right on that, that little stripped by, um, sex world. And I'm talking about, I used to be real busting tools, a big ass space
Speaker 3 00:29:34 All by sex world. I don't think I ever went there. The lounge. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
Speaker 4 00:29:39 Over there in that area. Right, right. Um, and so I had my, uh, military jacket custom made nice and cut out real sexy. You would have liked it. Um, and it ended up on this website called army. What the fuck?
Speaker 3 00:29:55 Oh
Speaker 4 00:29:56 No. When I tell you millions of like patriotic, white bodied Americans was like this black bat shit got out. Like I didn't realize that that was something illegal
Speaker 3 00:30:08 Is for real.
Speaker 4 00:30:09 I was just expressing myself.
Speaker 3 00:30:11 So what if it was
Speaker 4 00:30:14 Essentially, um, defaced military property? And so my first Sergeant seen it and we was
Speaker 3 00:30:22 A little more shit. I'm sorry. But like,
Speaker 4 00:30:24 Yeah, they was upset. And so they were like calling for me to be like kicked out and get like an article, whatever it is. It's like, you gotta be charged. This is like against the law, blah, blah, blah. So, um, they gave me the option to, I was also like a wall. Like if I had a show and I had drill, I ain't going to drill like bruh, is he kidding me? Like I got better shit to do. So I already kind of had a record. And so they was like, well, this is it white. If, um, if you get in trouble one more time, you're getting a dishonorable discharge. So if you stay in, you gotta fly. Right. Or you can go now and get a general discharge. Give me the general. Right.
Speaker 3 00:31:06 See ya. He had a friend. He, uh, he was telling me about that, but he's white. And he was saying like, the racism is different.
Speaker 4 00:31:17 He said, it's
Speaker 3 00:31:19 Pretty well. Cause he's going to see a lot of it. You know? So his wife is black.
Speaker 4 00:31:29 Ooh. So how do y'all feel about that? Like do you kind of be like side eye and when you see a white dude with a black woman, I've been interested. And I was just like, I don't know if I can do this. It might be a known for me.
Speaker 3 00:31:50 I think I heard a long time ago that Minnesota is considered a gray
Speaker 4 00:31:55 State. So that means what means
Speaker 3 00:31:58 That there's a lot of mixed couples here.
Speaker 4 00:32:00 I thought you was about to say a lot of mixed babies. I don't think
Speaker 3 00:32:06 That in certain aspects,
Speaker 4 00:32:07 But I wouldn't want no white male raising my black baby. I think that's, that's the draw for me. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3 00:32:16 I think, I think the perception would just seem weird because I seen a couple with a young black kid, like a week or two ago. And I was just like, where'd you get that kid? And I was like, please don't tell me you adopted that kid.
Speaker 4 00:32:38 You hear me? Like girl, what? I'm going, mark you and
Speaker 3 00:32:47 Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:32:48 No, I, I think dating is really hard. So like I think black women, we consider it and some, some of us crossed the line. I don't know if I could do it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 00:33:02 I don't know. Yeah. It's very, uh, I know a lot of black men that are married to white women.
Speaker 4 00:33:10 Yeah. But it's like, they be taking the ones we don't want any way. Like <inaudible> They look funny looking though, to be fair. So it's like, all right, bro. Going on to the other side, I don't think I can. What tastes what'd you talking about?
Speaker 3 00:33:35 I don't honestly, I don't, I don't see it. I see, like I said, I don't, it's rare that I see black women with white men.
Speaker 4 00:33:46 It seems to be more prevalent and maybe that's because it was something that was presented to me that it's more, I see it more, but it's like everywhere. And even like in media, that seems to be the agenda that they push. Like you always see in a black actress with a white man and it's like, come on, come on. I don't know. I'm not like totally against it. I don't know if I could see it for myself. Is your wife native, your native,
Speaker 3 00:34:14 Right? Yeah. I'm mixed. I'm actually black, white and native.
Speaker 4 00:34:17 Okay. That makes sense. I see that all over you.
Speaker 3 00:34:20 So like for my family growing up in Minnesota, back then it was horrible.
Speaker 4 00:34:27 Like y'all got a lot going on in this family.
Speaker 3 00:34:30 Yeah. So like my grandma couldn't live and she was white. She couldn't live in the projects because her kids are mixed. So they had to live in the shitty houses on the north side that were the, like my uncle was telling me like, yeah, there's holes in the walls, winter freezing, you know, just like, cause they don't, you know, they're not going to have you live in a government owned projects and act like, we think mixing of races is okay. You know, especially back what, just read like fifties and sixties, you know? And my grandma had a rough time of it. You know, she just, her whole family disowned her
Speaker 4 00:35:12 Damn well.
Speaker 3 00:35:15 Cause she fell in love with a black dude that
Speaker 4 00:35:17 Easy to fall in love.
Speaker 3 00:35:21 Well, I think that's what happens when you have stereotypes of people because when you actually meet someone and they're really cool, you're like, oh, that's not what I was told. You know? And so now you're interested because this is how people have always been. You always are attracted to people who are opposite or you know, or, you know, there are different just how it is. And so well, you know, cause it's like people see you and you're totally different. You know? Like when people see me, I think they mostly think this dude like robs and steals and kills people,
Speaker 4 00:35:50 See Robin some shit,
Speaker 3 00:35:51 You know? So it's like, I used to get that when I'm working, like I'd be in some apartment building and he Dyna picking up the trash and some old white lady walks by him and she clicked on her part. She looks at me, he does that. And I'm like, fuck you.
Speaker 4 00:36:05 Like for real,
Speaker 3 00:36:08 You want, I'm going to lose my job to Rob your sorry ass. Like, no, I don't want your $5.
Speaker 4 00:36:16 Then it'd be the broke white people like girls on that person. So tight
Speaker 3 00:36:21 You write checks still. So yeah. It's just, but it's, for me, it depends on where I'm at too. So if I'm in New York, people think I'm Puerto Rican. If I'm in LA, they think I'm Mexican. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:36:35 That's interesting.
Speaker 3 00:36:37 But
Speaker 4 00:36:38 I go to those places. I just think on black Somalia,
Speaker 3 00:36:43 Possibly Somalia, possibly
Speaker 4 00:36:45 It's the forehead.
Speaker 3 00:36:47 Hmm. I don't see it
Speaker 4 00:36:50 Don't bother me now.
Speaker 3 00:36:52 I'm surprised even though it's smiling, is
Speaker 4 00:36:54 That some places don't and I'll be like, damn y'all y'all, ain't got no culture.
Speaker 3 00:36:59 They don't, Minnesota has a lot of that. We
Speaker 4 00:37:02 Do. It's a gift and a curse. But I like it. I like being exposed to different cultures. It's definitely a plus here. Yeah. Some cities you go and you don't see like no other people, like depending on what hood I go to in Chicago, I could not see no white people. And sometimes you need that. You need to just not see them for awhile.
Speaker 3 00:37:24 I agree. I was in Detroit and it was, I went to go see a movie and I was just like, dada, not thinking about anything. I was going to start looking around. Cause people were kind of looking at me like who the fuck is this dude? Like the lightest skinned person there. I'm looking around like, this is fucking awesome. Nice. Cause I don't even think about it. That's not my frame of mind. You know? So it's the culture shocks or New York. I loved instantly because no one looked at me ever. It was just sounded like I seen a bunch of like college dudes and I was like, oh, here we go. Someone's going to talk shit. Cause that's what they used to do here. They ain't even look at me. They just walk right by me. Like I was invisible and I was like, that's beautiful. I liked this. I liked this.
Speaker 4 00:38:14 So I like that. We have talked about music like this much. You're a great conversationalist.
Speaker 3 00:38:21 Thank you. We had fun at that live stream. And
Speaker 4 00:38:24 That was juicy. We was drinking too. Well. That conversation was ridiculous. Like what is y'all talking about? Every just surprised at my performance. You didn't think I was that dope pump. I didn't know
Speaker 3 00:38:35 What to expect, but I felt like after we interviewed with you is I was definitely way more interested because you didn't really give a shit. You know? Like some people get like weird or they like whatever and you're just like, blah, blah, blah forever. When I was like, oh this is, this is fun.
Speaker 4 00:38:54 She's to be good. I feel like I seen you in, uh, Dave on the sidelines and y'all was looking like, wow, this bra really snapping. Like, I don't know. I get that. And I liked that element though.
Speaker 3 00:39:07 I love that feeling like when you, you don't know somebody and then they just go up there and tear it up and you're like, that's fucking awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:39:16 Well people used to always think I was a singer and so I would show up like real cute. Cause I don't know why they want, especially black female rappers to look masculine. Right. Um, Y I don't know. I don't know. It's it's like, It's the expectation that, yeah. Yeah. And if you show up, look like, I think like with the more sexualization of female rappers now, it's like, okay, it's appropriate to come in looking cute. But then if you come in looking cute, you also should be naked. You know what I mean? So it's like somebody kind of in the in-between that like, you know, what the hell she does?
Speaker 3 00:39:57 I think black women's society gets sexualized way too much already. Yeah. What rapper would you like to do? A collab with?
Speaker 4 00:40:06 Like in my wildest dreams and Kanye.
Speaker 3 00:40:12 Oh, that would be slick. That would be good. Yes.
Speaker 4 00:40:16 I'm a whole fan for sure. That's why my baby's name Carter.
Speaker 3 00:40:20 Hmm. I was never, when I was younger, I just never was. I liked them later.
Speaker 4 00:40:26 Um, crazy. He might be part of the reason I rap. When I first heard, um, Jay Z feeling it, I was at a barbecue and I might've been eight years old. And when I tell you, I felt that shit in my soul, I was like, and obviously I'm eight. I don't understand half the shit talking about it to my selling drugs and this, that, and the third. And, but it was so like, I just felt it and I never forgot it. Like, I've memorized that album at eight years old
Speaker 3 00:40:58 Doing it was the music too. It
Speaker 4 00:41:00 Was everything. It was everything. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:41:06 Have any other harder artists got you like that, Man. His early stuff is good.
Speaker 4 00:41:12 Crazy. The first four albums are really
Speaker 3 00:41:15 Good.
Speaker 4 00:41:16 Like I love him off that alone. So like some of that other stuff, when he started getting weird, after his mom passed, I was like, mm it's going to hold on the old kinase. Like, it's like your cousin when he started like doing drugs or something. And it's like, oh, cause I still love you from when we was kids and had sleepovers. Like, I'm not gonna judge you based off what you doing right now. But it's people really hate Kanye for some of his ladder. You know his craziness. Yeah. And it's like, y'all, don't dismiss everything he's done for us as a culture and gave to us artistically for like, he's obviously got real issues.
Speaker 3 00:41:57 He's never recovered from his mom. I
Speaker 4 00:41:59 Don't know. How do you recover from that?
Speaker 3 00:42:01 I don't know. I really don't.
Speaker 4 00:42:03 I couldn't imagine
Speaker 3 00:42:05 Because he was going in for like plastic surgery or something
Speaker 4 00:42:08 And just didn't come out. Yeah. We had to give Kanye more grace like this Donta album finna be crazy. Did you watch the live stream? So good. So good.
Speaker 3 00:42:21 I just, man, some of the people he likes like the religious stuff with that one guy down there, I was asleep.
Speaker 4 00:42:27 I mean, we know he's a weirdo, but does that mean he is also not a genius. Two things can be true.
Speaker 3 00:42:35 Well, I definitely think, I mean, cause I feel like prince was a weirdo, but I also know he was a genius. Right.
Speaker 4 00:42:42 And we will dismiss prince rest in peace, being weird as hell and the blouses and the ass out. Like it just didn't happen. Right. We let him be him like Kanye, Kanye, please.
Speaker 3 00:42:57 I want Connie to come out with a little Twin style.
Speaker 4 00:43:04 Oh my gosh. What is that? Oh God, please. It's bad enough. He got this damn pantyhose over his head. You haven't seen it lately. I'm going to get off my cousin. Cause I don't want to talk about him, but can I get a
Speaker 3 00:43:23 Collab? Nah,
Speaker 4 00:43:25 No. I don't think he's small-minded like that. I'm defending him. I love him. That's my cousin. Kai is my cousin JZ. He's my real dad.
Speaker 3 00:43:33 What about Kendrick?
Speaker 4 00:43:35 I love Kendrick man. He's
Speaker 3 00:43:37 So fucking goats.
Speaker 4 00:43:39 I think Kendrick low-key retired and didn't tell us no,
Speaker 3 00:43:42 He didn't. It wasn't like low-key retire. He said he retired.
Speaker 4 00:43:47 Uh, but you know what? When he put out, damn, I said he don't have to do nothing else. That album is like, first of all, we thought the world was ending and that was like perfect apocalypse music. And it still ending just slower than we thought. Right. You can put on damn right now. And it's going to go hard. It's going to touch your soul and a
Speaker 3 00:44:04 Nobel peace prize for that as he
Speaker 4 00:44:06 Should have. That's insane. That is an incredible body of work
Speaker 3 00:44:10 Ever done that.
Speaker 4 00:44:12 I don't know.
Speaker 3 00:44:15 I lucked out. I seen him the first time I seen him was at Coachella. When they had that 3d, Tupac,
Speaker 4 00:44:25 You went to go see the hologram
Speaker 3 00:44:26 Tupac. I didn't know it was there. We already planned on going there because the other vans. Okay. And then that happened. That shit was weird. Freaky. Yes. Like it made my hair stand up on the back.
Speaker 4 00:44:39 Oh, I don't know if I would want to see that. Like, it was weird.
Speaker 3 00:44:44 It was cool, but it was just all strictly. Yeah. But Dre fucking killed it. He killed it like, cause he had M and M 57, the dog pound. Um, then the Tupac thing and Snoop, all those guys showed up and it was fired and he, I think it was like Saturday night. He closed that or no, actually I think he ended Coachella. He was the main headliner that night and it was just, it was ill. Wow. And at that point we had heard about the cause we are the second weekend or whatever, but so we had seen Kendrick Lamar, I think one of the, on our earlier stage,
Speaker 4 00:45:27 How was his performance?
Speaker 3 00:45:30 I really, I was, I didn't, I was watching the screen so I wasn't really close, but I was just like, who the fuck is this? Like, this shit is catchy. And I like it. And then after that I like went down the wormhole and was listened to
Speaker 4 00:45:44 Know who he was at the time. So you weren't like a fan?
Speaker 3 00:45:47 No, he just caught my ear. And
Speaker 4 00:45:50 One was this block.
Speaker 3 00:45:52 This was like 2012. Okay. So obviously before the Dre thing, I think, yeah, it was before him and Dre or maybe he had already hooked up with Dre, but yeah, it was, there was a bunch of other people that we seen there too. Um, but it was, that was the first time seeing him. Then I seen him play at like, uh, he came here and played like the quest or whatever it's called now. I can't remember. That was cool. But yeah, he's, he's one of the good ones. I've seen a lot of rappers and urban, some fucking shitty performers,
Speaker 4 00:46:32 You know, who's a raw ass performer and he's not as big as he should be or probably will be at some point. But uh, J I D
Speaker 3 00:46:40 I don't even know who that is.
Speaker 4 00:46:43 He's on a Dreamville. I'll have to look them up. Yeah. He came here with like CIBA and, um, what's my girl's name. I always forget her name and I feel bad. Cause like how you gonna forget the one girl in the crew name? I feel like I'm obligated to know the fuck. Her name is Maria. I remember it. I'm proud of myself. Um, they came here. It was his tour and it was, uh, the DiCaprio tour at first. I have, when I tell you like amazing performer, like, yeah, I didn't really know his music much, but after seeing that I was a fan. He's crazy.
Speaker 3 00:47:23 That's good. I think like one of the worst was Rob base and DJ easy rock. They came out, they did a screen, went up, the smoke, came out, your music was kind of coming on. They weren't even there. Then they had to bring it back down.
Speaker 4 00:47:42 They weren't even there. Like y'all not communicating backstage. No, no worst performer. I seen the Migos. Wow. And I think my expectation was high because they're high energy, their music. And so I'm thinking like they finna be lit on stage.
Speaker 3 00:48:00 That was kind of boring.
Speaker 4 00:48:01 Yeah. And I seen him like three times, not on purpose. Um, I've seen him like three times and each time it was like luster, very disappointed. It's like, and it's three of y'all and now one of y'all is a good performer. This is crazy. I had three opportunities to get this shit. Right.
Speaker 3 00:48:20 I think most of the rappers I've seen in counselor were all old school. Like all like red man and uh, public enemy, BDP carers, one Stetsasonic um, diggable, planets, um, man, like almost all of those from the eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 4 00:48:50 Who was your favorite rapper?
Speaker 3 00:48:53 Hmm. I would probably right now I'd say kind of Lamar. I used to love run DMC. They were my favorite and LL cool. J like we had that radio album, like months before it got here. And we like dubbed that tape, like me and my cousins. We all had that shit on tape and that shit was like, it was a lot like how Snoop's first album was. It was like generating so much. Like everybody wait for it. And then he came out and it just blew up. Wow.
Speaker 3 00:49:32 But yeah, like old LL cool J run DMC public enemy, man. I came in my brain. Oh yeah. Rock him for sure. He played oh, was supposed to play first avenue and it was put on by some dude that doesn't fucking know how to put on shows and everybody was waiting, waiting, and waiting and he ever fucking showed up. Wow. In first avenue, this shit exploded like fucking Dawn bottles from the balcony and shit. And then the cops, cause he kept telling everybody, oh, he's showing up. He's just running late. He's just really blah, blah, blah. And all the opening acts were like, you know, trying to just keep going. And like, I was like, oh, this is fucking shit show, you know? Wow. You know, some promoter that was a wannabe baller doing some shit at first avenue and it just shit, the bed.
Speaker 3 00:50:37 Wow. Same thing happened with, uh, overhead to you at the cop in union. It was Keith Murray, red man. And um, one other cat. I can't remember who was, and that was the same thing, but they showed up, but they're like, we're not paying, playing until we get our money. Wow. And then somehow the money happened and they play and I was like, ah, dude. And that was for me, unfortunately for a lot of rap shows was like a common denominator back then. It was like all these dudes that were doing it locally at fuck. They were doing and then blowing it. And so you're going like, well, I'm not going to go this shit because it's not going to happen. You know? And then you get dudes up there and they're like singing over their fucking songs. I hate that shit so much.
Speaker 4 00:51:25 That was big in the last, uh, versus did you watch Dipset versus the locks?
Speaker 3 00:51:30 I heard that someone was
Speaker 4 00:51:32 Doing that. Yeah. The dips, that was, it was embarrassing. How do you do that? I've never, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 3 00:51:39 Really
Speaker 4 00:51:41 Done that. That was, it was tacky. It was tacky. But like people do that here. Like you go to local shows and it's like, come on, bro. We could have just played this shit on SoundCloud.
Speaker 3 00:52:02 I just don't like, and that's what sucks because I grew up going to punk shows and punk shows are very like you're with the band and that's the energy and that's why I love. And so when you go to some of these shows and dudes like burp or burp, or, you know, they're not even really putting all their all into it, it's like, you know that you feel it. And you're like,
Speaker 4 00:52:28 And you listened to black Madonna. Oh, you look like a black Madonna fan. Like I would see you at one of those shows. You know who they are.
Speaker 3 00:52:37 I've heard of them. I'll know. Okay.
Speaker 4 00:52:39 Where are they from?
Speaker 3 00:52:40 They're a local band here. Oh, they are check whether they play
Speaker 4 00:52:45 Rap
Speaker 3 00:52:45 Rock. Oh, okay.
Speaker 4 00:52:48 Yeah. So it's a live band with the like rapping rock star front man.
Speaker 3 00:52:55 Right on. I do like, uh, have you heard of whore? Those dudes are, those dudes are ill. Okay. It's like, they're kinda like that too. They have like their own little computer set up and they have a live drummer and it's like two dudes rapid and one dude kind of screams and yells at certain parts. But it's, it's, they're really good. Yeah. And then there's another band. Well, they're not really wrapped though, but show me the body. There's another band. That's
Speaker 4 00:53:26 Me. The body just put me in the mind of, um, damn. What's that movie. Wasn't a HUD. Y'all want to see a dead body. Show me the body,
Speaker 3 00:53:38 But horror for sure is more on that rap rock.
Speaker 4 00:53:41 Okay.
Speaker 3 00:53:43 Just kind of, they do weird shit. Okay. So you'd be looking at the dude. I like it because it's just like some-odd yeah, yeah. And the kids get hyped to it. So I love that part. Yeah. Like anything that people can like vibe to, you know what I mean? Like they just lose their shit and they're like, this shit made my life. Cause to me that's what music in the most part usually is for most people, you know that like music, like I think it's weird for people who don't like music man and release immediately.
Speaker 4 00:54:18 Wow. What's I could never, I can't relate to those people. I don't either. It's a no, for me, that's a red flag. How do you not like
Speaker 3 00:54:27 Music? I
Speaker 4 00:54:29 Had a friend. Well, now he's been promoted to an associate because what he posted this on Facebook, Calvin, why would you do that? He posted on Facebook the other day. They don't really like listening to music. And when I thought about it, I've been in his car and ain't no music plan. Like what? That's crazy to me, Calvin you've been demoted. I'm sorry to
Speaker 3 00:54:54 Say why?
Speaker 4 00:54:55 No, he just said, I CA I don't remember the whole post, but it was just kinda like, I don't like music like that. It's a psychopath. What? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 00:55:07 So you like, I mean, there's so much things. I have music and like commercials.
Speaker 4 00:55:11 Yeah. I think a big Kelvin. You've never been to a show. You never came to a show. Not that I'm thinking about it, bro. Like, are we even really friends? Wow. I'm disappointed. Crazy. This revelation I'm having at cafe
Speaker 3 00:55:29 Fresh air, fresh air, not fresh air in here.
Speaker 4 00:55:36 We've sweated Ang.
Speaker 3 00:55:39 Well, I guess we get probably into here. This
Speaker 4 00:55:42 Has been a great time. Always. I could chop it up with you anytime. I feel like I can really be my authentic self.
Speaker 3 00:55:51 That's good. Cause that's what we want for sure. If Dave was here.
Speaker 4 00:55:56 Well thank you for allowing me to come and share space and dialogue with you guys.
Speaker 3 00:56:01 We'll let everybody know what's going on with you so they can, you know, tell them,
Speaker 4 00:56:11 Um, wait, I'm telling them what's going on with me.
Speaker 3 00:56:13 Yep. Music and all that stuff. All right. So,
Speaker 4 00:56:18 Um, I play so much. Um, I really don't have a whole lot of sense. Um, I need a nap too, per usual. Um, I am working on a project. Love hangover. Two is it is the SQL to love hangover that is out on a platform. So please get in tune, catch up with that. Um, love hangover two. We'll be dropping. October-ish hold me to it. Where can they find you? They can find me on Instagram. I am solo star, um, Facebook solo, star music, um, all music platforms. Um, my website www I am solo star.com, not.com.co C O. Um, read my blogs. Um, buy my book seven day grief journal for hip hop lovers on Amazon. Um, yeah. Get into them. I do a lot.
Speaker 2 00:57:20 Thanks for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 4 00:57:21 Thank you for having me sticks and stones. Right?
Speaker 2 00:57:25 So your people have fun.
Speaker 5 00:57:36 Thank you, Mason. And KFH for allowing sticks and stones to make this podcast. Also, we'd like to give a special thanks to our producer, Ms. Hill.
